What advice would you give to someone considering law school today?
Three things:
- Why Law? Assess your motivation and make sure you are pursuing law school for the right reasons for you. Passion for the law, a desire to advocate for or help others, or an interest in a specific legal field are good starts. Going to law school because you are unsure of what else to do or because it seems prestigious or like a money-making enterprise can lead to dissatisfaction.
- The Money - Law school is a significant financial investment. Think about the cost of tuition, living expenses, and the potential debt you may incur. Compare this to the expected salary and job opportunities post-graduation and look for all possible scholarships, grants, and other forms of financial aid to reduce the cost burden.
- The Time - Understand the time & effort commitment in law school and later. Law school is demanding in terms of time, effort, and mental energy. You have to be prepared for the rigorous workload and the intensity of studying. When you get out into your practice setting, that commitment does not change, and it often requires long hours and demands of clients. While you can create tools to help manage the stress of the profession, recognize that your chosen career may have an impact on your work-life integration, and you need to assess how this aligns with your personal and long-term goals.
What were the biggest changes you saw in the legal profession over the course of your career?
The technological changes! Not to date myself, but when I started in law school we were still using “dial-up” AOL to access the Internet, social media was only a thing of the future, and we thought the fax machine had revolutionized legal practice. From email, to text, to e-filing, to the cloud, to AI, technological changes are occurring so rapidly. Making sure that we keep up-to-date up to date with the changes not only for our clients but also so that we can all comply with our competence obligations under the Rules of Professional Conduct is challenging.
When did you first become a member of the ABA and why did you decide to join?
I first became a member of the ABA in 1997 when I graduated from law school. For me, back then, it wasn’t really a decision. I think it was just the thing that you did. I’m a lawyer, so I joined a professional organization. I knew that membership would be a wonderful vehicle for not only networking with other members of my “lawyer” community but also for professional growth, i.e., learning about different practice areas and providing me with all the resources I would need.
Are there any member benefits that SLD or the ABA provided to you that helped you decide to become a member of the ABA and/or SLD?
There are a whole host of member benefits that the ABA provided to me that encouraged me to remain a member! First and foremost, the networking opportunities of not only meetings/conferences, but ABA Communities (formerly listservs) and participation on committees! What an amazing place to talk with like-minded professionals, ask questions, connect, learn, grow, travel, and maybe sprinkle in some mirth and merriment every once in a while. Second, access to resources! All of the books, articles, ethics opinions, checklists, guidelines, and practice tools that I use daily! The SLD gives me so much guidance on topics I am going to need as I come to my “encore” career - financial and retirement planning, healthcare directives, etc. And how about the FREE CLE – not only to be an attendee but to serve as a panelist!
What has been the highlight of your work with the ABA?
Being involved with the Commission on Lawyer Assistance Programs and other wellbeing committees in the IPL and SLD Groups. This work saved me. Not in a recovery sense, but in a mission and quest sense. It gave me a passion, filled my soul, and put me on a track to learn why lawyers are so reticent to seek help, suffer in silence, and to be able to do something about it. Throughout my career, I have seen lawyers come to sworn statements and depositions under the influence; had attorneys tell me that they had stacks of letters from the disciplinary agency piled up - even annual registration letters - and could not open them because of the stress and anxiety it produced; attorneys who started in the profession just wanting to help people and now were profoundly ambivalent about the profession and their career. Some would even tell me “I just really don’t want to do this anymore.” Or worst of all, attorneys who just didn’t show up – not because they were facing disbarment for conversion of millions of dollars, but simple neglect matters. All of this caused me to wonder why. What is it about us, about the profession, about the work that is causing these problems and what can I do about it? My participation in CoLAP and other groups led me to inquire as to the signs, symptoms and causes of these diseases; about what makes someone lose everything that is important to them and what makes someone hit bottom. But more importantly what makes them stop, and from where and how does resilience come. I got involved, spread the word, engaged, reached out, collaborated, and wanted to make sure that every lawyer knows there is a confidential and safe space to turn. That you are not alone. This work also challenged me to do more. To work to create a movement of change towards improving the health and well-being of the legal profession and change the culture, reduce the stigma, and get on a better, healthier, more sustaining path. Through my work with these groups, as well as the ABA Wellbeing Pledge Committee, and in partnership with other organizations such as the International Bar Association, Institute for Wellbeing in Law, and the Mindfulness in Law Society, we are building a better system of policy, process and prevention. We are changing the culture. We are building a more relevant and resilient future and proactive regulatory framework for our profession.
If you had not become a lawyer, what do you think you would have done?
Right out of undergrad, I was one of the lucky ones with a full-time position selecting site-appropriate art for Chicagoland hospitals. I worked directly with sculptors and painters on specialized commissions, drafting & revising the terms of the contracts, serving as the conduit between the artists and the hospital boards commissioning the work, watching the work come to life, and then helping place all of the pieces on site. As a history and art history double major, this position provided me with meaning and value internally and externally. I was surrounded by what I loved, and I was able to actually use what I learned in college to help others. I think if I had stayed, I might have gone on to expand that business to other corporate settings and locations or perhaps found a new career with an auction house like Sotheby’s or Christie’s. That or be an astronaut!