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National Security Law Today is a podcast from the ABA Standing Committee on Law and National Security. On NSL Today we interview practicing national security attorneys who offer updates and analysis on the hottest topics in the field and career advice for those looking to break in. Listen to the most recent episode below and click through on the right to stream or subscribe.


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So What is the Standing Committee? Minisode with the Moderators (Subscribe | Stream)

Episode 22 | March 15, 2018


The Standing Committee on Law and National Security is the oldest committee in the ABA. It has a sustained committment to educating the Bar and the public on national security and rule of law issues.

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Security's Final Frontier with Dr. Henry Hertzfeld (Subscribe | Stream)

Episode 21 | March 8, 2018


Dr. Henry Hertzfeld is a Professor at the George Washington Univeristy's Elliott School of International Affairs in the Space Policy Institute and at the GWU Law school. He served as an economic and policy analyst as NASA and the National Science Foundation.

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Cybersecurity: The Intersection of Law, Policy and Technology with Mellissa Hathaway (Subscribe | Stream)

Episode 20 | March 1, 2018


Melissa Hathaway is the president of Hathaway Global Strategies and a cybersecurity senior advisor at the Harvard Kennedy School, working on MIT–Harvard Project on Technology, Security, and Conflict in the Cyber Age (Project Minerva). She led the Cyberspace Policy Review for President Barack Obama and the Comprehensive National Cybersecurity Initiative (CNCI) for President George W. Bush.

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Are we ready for Autonomous Weapons? with Alan Schuller (Subscribe | Stream)

Episode 19 | February 22, 2018


Lieutenant Colonel Schuller (USMC) is Associate Director of the Stockton Center for the Study of International Law at the U.S. Naval War College, where his research is focused on autonomy in weapon systems. LtCol Schuller is a Fellow with the Georgetown Center on National Security and the Law. He served as an artillery officer before becoming a judge advocate. 

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The Criticality of Communications with Craig Silliman (Subscribe | Stream)

Episode 18 | February 15, 2018


Craig Silliman is Executive Vice President for Public Policy and General Counsel at Verizon. He has served in senior roles at Verizon for years, and previously worked at the law firm of Collier, Shannon, Rill & Scott and was taught telecommunications regulation at American University.

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The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act LIVE at the Annual Conference (Subscribe | Stream)

Episode 17 | February 8, 2018


The panel features moderator Robert Litt of Morrison & Foerster and panelists Alexander Joel of the Office of Civil Liberties, Privacy and Transparency in ODNI, Laura Donohue of Georgetown Law, Elizabeth (Liza) Goitein of the Brennan Center for Justice, Susan Hennessey of Lawfare and Jamil Jaffer of GMU Antonin Scalia Law School.

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Answering Tough Questions with Ken Wainstein (Subscribe | Stream)

Episode 16 | February 1, 2018


Ken Wainstein is a partner at Davis Polk. He served at the president's Homeland Security Advisor, as Assistant Attorney General for National Security in the U.S. Department of Justice, and as General Counsel of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

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Touring the Arctic with Lindsay Rodman (Subscribe | Stream)

Episode 15 | January 15, 2018


Lindsay Rodman is the Council on Foreign Relations International Affairs Fellow at the University of Ottawa Centre for International Policy Studies. She was an associate at Arnold & Porter before joining the US Marine Corps, where she served as Director for Defense Policy and Strategy at the National Security Council. She is currently a major in the Marine Corps Reserves

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CFIUS 101: Foreign Control and US Oversight with David Fagan (Subscribe | Stream)

Episode 14 | January 18, 2018


David Fagan is a partner at Covington & Burling and co-chair of the firm's cross border investment and national security practice. He previously served as a CIA analyst before joining Covington and becoming a Chambers rated lawyer and the American Lawyer Dealmaker of the Year for 2016.

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Defend your Data with Jill Rhodes (Subscribe | Stream)

Episode 13 | January 11, 2018


Jill Rhodes is Vice President & CISO at Option Care, a multibillion-dollar healthcare company. She previously served as a Foreign Service Officer as US AID and worked in the Office of the Director of National Intelligence in roles including the deputy chief of staff for the ODNI and the assistant deputy director of national intelligence for education and training.

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Trials, Tribunals and Tribulations with Xander Meise (Subscribe | Stream)

Episode 12 | January 4, 2018


Alexandra (Xander) Meise is a partner at Mitchell, Silberberg & Knupp where she works in international disputes on treaties, access to natural resources and conflicts whether commercial or governmental. She also teaches International Human Rights Law at the Georgetown University Law Center.

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Bringing Terrorism to Trial Part I and Part II with Steven Pelak (Subscribe | Stream Part I | Stream Part II)

Episode 10 | December 21, 2017
Episode 11 | December 28, 2017


Steven Pelak is a parter at Holland & Hart, and he served as an Assistant U.S. Attorney in Washington D.C. for 18 years and in the Justice Department on economic sanction and export control enforcement.

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Thieves from Abroad: The threat of intellectual property theft with Adam Hickey and David Laufman (Subscribe | Stream)

Episode 9 | December 14, 2017

Adam Hickey is the Deputy Assistant Attorney General (DAAG) for National Asset Protection in the National Security Division U.S. Department of Justice where he combats national security threats from cybercrime and economic espionage. David Laufman is the chief of the Counterintelligence and Export Control Section as NSD where he investigates and prosecutes economic espionage, cybercrime, export control and sanctions violations.

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Dual Use and 3D Printers with Chris Timura (Subscribe | Stream)

Episode 8 | November 30, 2017


Christopher Timura is of counsel at Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher where he works in national security, trade and foreign policy as well as corporate social responsibility.

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Keeping America Safe with Joel Brenner (Subscribe | Stream)

Episode 7 | November 16, 2017


Joel Brenner is a Senior Fellow at MIT. He served as head of U.S. Counterintelligence under the Director of National Intelligence and as Inspector General of the National Security Agency.

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Rewriting the Rules with Mark Zaid (Subscribe | Stream)

Episode 6 | November 2, 2017


Mark Zaid is the managing partner of The Law Offices of Mark Zaid. He is also the founder of the James Madison Project and one of the founders of Whistleblower Aid.

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The Annual Review Conference Minisode with Caroline Krass (Subscribe | Stream)

Episode 5| October 20, 2017


Caroline Krass of Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher, former General Counsel at the CIA, joined us for a short episode about the upcoming 27th Annual Review of the Field of National Security Law Conference. Visit the Registration Page for more information and to register.


Weaponizing the Dollar with Adam Smith (Subscribe | Stream)

Episode 4 | October 19, 2017


Adam Smith is a partner at Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher. He served Senior Advisor to the Director of the U.S. Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) and served on the National Security Council.

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Full Disclosure with Amy Jeffress (Subscribe | Stream)

Episode 3 | October 5, 2017


Amy Jeffress is a partner at Arnold & Porter. She served as the Justice Department Attache to the U.S. Embassy in London and held senior positions in the U.S. Justice Department.

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The Summer of Sanctions with Brian Egan (Subscribe | Stream)

Episode 2 | September 21, 2017


Brian Egan is a partner at Steptoe & Johnson. He served as the Legal Adviser to the State Department and held posts in the White House, the National Security Council and the Treasury Department

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Private Practice and Public Service with Raj De (Subscribe | Stream)

Episode 1 | September 7, 2017


Raj De is a partner at Mayer Brown. He served as the General Counsel of the National Security Agency and counsel to the 9/11 Commission, and has held senior appointments in the White House, the Department of Justice (DOJ) and the Department of Defense (DOD).

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